The Gibraltar of the Confederacy
For additional thoughts on today please visit Max at Thoughts from a Mystic Satyr and Ryan at "... A Regular Guy Gone Bad." Max and Ryan will discussing The Battle at Gettysburg, which ended July 3,1863.
Two of the most important dates of the American Civil War would arguably be July 3 and July 4, 1863, the dates of two decisive victories for the Union Army against Confederate forces. Confederate General, Robert E. Lee withdrew his forces from the Gettysburg area on July 3... and Confederate General, John Pemberton surrendered Vicksburg to Union General, U.S. Grant the very next day, July 4.
Two of the most important dates of the American Civil War would arguably be July 3 and July 4, 1863, the dates of two decisive victories for the Union Army against Confederate forces. Confederate General, Robert E. Lee withdrew his forces from the Gettysburg area on July 3... and Confederate General, John Pemberton surrendered Vicksburg to Union General, U.S. Grant the very next day, July 4.
Honestly, the outcomes of both battles were probably decided weeks in advance by a series of events that made the possibility of victory for Confederate forces very unlikely.
General 'Stonewall' Jackson
"Let us cross over the river, and rest under the shade of the trees."
"Let us cross over the river, and rest under the shade of the trees."
Jackson's last words
From April 30 - MAY 6, 1863, The Army of North Virginia took on the Union Army of the Potomac around Chancellorsville. On May 2, 'Stonewall' Jackson was shot and mortally wounded by a Confederate picket, and died eight days later from complications. Robert E. Lee would later compare the loss of Jackson as to 'having lost his right arm.' Needless to say, Jackson's leadership and military prowess were sorely missed a month later at Gettysburg.
An equally important misstep was that committed by General Jeb Stuart, Confederate cavalry man. His daring military usage of horseback troops gave Lee 'sets of eyes' to what was going on around his forces that other military leaders didn't have. Either through ill-defined orders on the part of Lee, or through decisions made by Stuart, the Confederate cavalry was separated by time and distance from Lee's main body of troops, and unable to provide intelligence to Lee. There were other issues that transpired that would work against Lee, but I would argue that these were the two most significant.
StoneWall Jackson's tactical excellence and Stuart's reconnaissance were sorely missed at Gettysburg.
On to Vicksburg...

U.S. Grant and John C. Pemberton
General Joseph E. Johnston was equally involved in tactical moves that were made... or more importantly, not made over that time. To this day, there is still argument as to what all transpired between Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederacy, and Generals Johnston and Pemberton.
The city and fortress of Vicksburg were protected by General John C. Pemberton and his Confederate forces. If you have never been here, the city is situated high on the bluffs overlooking the Mississippi River. There were several fortifications devised that made the running of the river by Union vessels all but impossible.
Admiral Porter's Fleet running the Vicksburg Batteries...
General U. S. Grant and his Army of The Tennessee had marched down the Louisiana side of the river to points south of the city of Vicksburg. His troops were then ferried across the Mississippi River by vessels of the Union fleet that had run the gauntlet at Vicksburg on April 1.
Once on the Mississippi side of the river, Grant marched on to Jackson, MS... captured Jackson and then preceded to march on towards Vicksburg. Johnston, who was in charge of all Confederate forces in Mississippi, ordered Pemberton and his army of roughly 23,000 soldiers to attack the Union Army at Clinton, MS. Pemberton felt these orders were going to be disastrous for him and his army, and he decided to attack Federal supply lines instead.
This attack failed for Pemberton, and this began a series of ill-fated battles that ended up with him retreating with his army into the defenses of Vicksburg. One of these battles was The Battle of Champion Hill, which you can read about HERE. Some historians believe that this is an encounter that Confederate forces should have won... having held the high ground for part of the battle. Some sources, however, state that Pemberton was so out-numbered by Federal forces that he had no choice but to retreat. Other sources state that Pemberton had asked for assistance from Johnston, but he never responded.
Pemberton eventually retreated into the positions at Vicksburg and waited for Grant's Army of the Tennessee there.
Grant tried two direct assaults on Confederate positions at Vicksburg before realizing that he couldn't take it by force. One of the attacks was on May 19, and followed by another on May 22. The second attack involved soldiers assigned to General William T. Sherman... who advanced down Graveyard Road towards the Confederate position known as Stockade Redan. The Union losses were heavy... and there is a marker on the battlefield site that credits the actions of this day as causing Sherman to remark that 'this is Hell'...
It is said that there were reports that the bodies of dead and wounded soldiers in some areas were so thick that one could walk 200 yards without ever touching earth.
After the failures of these two attacks, Grant decided on May 25 to lay siege to Vicksburg. Supposedly, Johnston was very angry with Pemberton for retreating into Vicksburg and establishing a defensive position there. Johnston supposedly was of the opinion that Grant be allowed to take the City... Pemberton take a retreat that would allow him and his forces to reunite with Johnston... and they would retake the city from Federal forces.
On July 3, 1863, Pemberton and Grant met between the lines and negotiated terms of surrender. Grant initially wanted his usual 'unconditional surrender,' but thought better of it, as his army would have been busy trying to maintain roughly 30,000 prisoners. Instead, Grant issued paroles to the Confederate forces, actually thinking that they would have lost the will to fight. Grant furthermore wanted the July 4 surrender because of national holiday implications and recognition.
The two met under an oak tree to formalize and finalize terms of surrender.
Missouri Memorial
Vicksburg NMP
One of the unique memorials at Vicksburg is that of the state of Missouri. Missouri provided 27 Union units, and 15 Confederate. The memorial above is situated at the location where two Missouri units clashed against each other.
I spent a great deal of time reading Civil War blogs about the Vicksburg campaign... and there are many diverse positions on the actions of Pemberton, Johnston, and Davis... who was to blame... etc.
A very interesting side note to this story is that General Johnston became friends with General Sherman after the war... Johnston served as a pall bearer at the funeral of Sherman... came down with pneumonia due to the inclement weather conditions on the day of the funeral... and died.
For something that should have been a short post... this turned out longer than I anticipated... and it can not cover the topic adequately. There are so many questions... so many quirky twists and turns...
I spent a great deal of time reading Civil War blogs about the Vicksburg campaign... and there are many diverse positions on the actions of Pemberton, Johnston, and Davis... who was to blame... etc.
A very interesting side note to this story is that General Johnston became friends with General Sherman after the war... Johnston served as a pall bearer at the funeral of Sherman... came down with pneumonia due to the inclement weather conditions on the day of the funeral... and died.
For something that should have been a short post... this turned out longer than I anticipated... and it can not cover the topic adequately. There are so many questions... so many quirky twists and turns...
~shoes~
Some other interesting facts:
ReplyDelete* The Confederate General Pemberton was in fact a Yankee born in the north but chose to fight for the South because of his wife's heritage. Which goes to show you what a woman can get you to do! :)
* The other famous John Pemberton associated with Vicksburg is another former Confederate soldier, pharmacist, and inventor of this crazy liquid concoction he created to sooth the pain felt from his war wounds. He allowed a dude from Vicksburg to bottle the stuff for the first time in 1894. I think they called this crazy drink Coca-Cola. Wondering if the stuff will ever really catch on? :)
Good morning, Ryan...
DeleteCoca Cola? What's that?? HAR!
It IS amazing what a woman can get a fellow to do... as for which side to take up arms with, there were SO many factors that came into play.
In some of my genealogy work, I have discovered a relative up in the Clarksville, TN area that continued to fly the American flag in his front yard after Tennessee seceded. When the militia went out to have him take it down, he promptly told them that THEY had seceded... not him. The story goes on that they left him in peace there with his flag.
HAR! Sounds like something someone in my family would do.
~shoes~
Hey just had to add this. Best response to stupid Gettysburg question.
ReplyDeleteQuestion: "How do you think Jackson would have performed at Gettysburg?"
Answer: "Probably pretty poorly and he would have really stunk as he had been dead for several weeks!"
HA!! I agree... unless the Confederate Army had a special Zombie Brigade...
Delete~shoes~
Great post, Shoes! Fun to write with you and Ryan today.
ReplyDeleteI wrote about Gettysburg, but the western campaigns of Grant and Sherman are what interest me the most. The Johnston/Sherman relationship is so interesting. They faced each other here, in the Atlanta campaign, and in the Carolinas at the war's end.
As you say, Johnston was a pallbearer at Sherman's funeral many years later. He refused to put on a a hat (out of respect) on a cold rainy day, and caught pneumonia, and died.
I toured the Vicksburg battlefield a number of years ago, and it was very much worth visiting. There was one big disappointment, which couldn't be helped. Vicksburg no longer sits on a bluff commanding the Mississippi. The river has changed course (as it naturally does) and left the town a bit inland from the main river. So I had to imagine the geography as it was in 1863. But the battle sites and cemeteries are beautiful and well worth the trip.
Good morning, Max... I read your post!! It is wonderful! I want to get to Gettysburg for a visit. A friend of mine did so a few years ago... he put together a trip where he traced the Army of Virginia from Chancellorsville into and then on it's retreat from Pennsylvania.
DeleteOn my recent trip to Vicksburg, I noticed that one could see the field so much clearer than I could in the past. They had gone in and removed many of the trees that had grown up over time down there inside the park.. so one could stand at an artillery position and actually see the Confederate earthen works off in the distance.
As for the river changing its course, you are exactly right. It changed in 1876...of course, the old river channel is still there... and is used today as the port facilities for Vicksburg.
I have read that what makes Vicksburg one of the better marked battlefields is that shortly after the war, veterans from both armies came in and helped tell what happened and where during the siege.
It is an interesting place to visit.
Happy July 4th!
~shoes~
I love to read about the American Civil War. Fascinating as that conflict was, war is an absurd method of resolving human disputes. Maybe some day we will get a chance to have a lengthy discussion on the topic. Happy 4th!
ReplyDeleteHappy 4th of July to YOU, JJ!
DeleteI love reading about the American Civil War as well... You are right, war IS an insane way of resolving conflict. It's when one starts to think about cause/effect relationships as to what happens/occurs, and realizes that the stories just don't make sense. I look forward to the opportunity to have a long discussion with you over the topic! What a great way to pass some time!!
~shoes~
Interesting post, Shoes. I imagine that more than one person found himself thinking "this is hell" beyond that experience at Vicksburg. It is hard to capture all of the feelings those people must have had at any given time. Certainly, each one thought they were right (at least, I hope so), but there must have also been uneasiness and maybe even guilt. After all, there were likely cases of fighting against friends and neighbors. Missouri was all torn up. Some Confederate. Some Union. That battle must have been epic and terrible.
ReplyDeleteGood morning, Robin! Happy 4th of July!!
DeleteI have read that after the failed attempts to storm Confederate positions on May 22, that the loss of life and wounded were so great... and they were sweltering in the heat of the sun. A truce was called which allowed the Union troops to come and tend to their dead and wounded... and that discussions broke out as if no conflict existed.
The relatives in the past that served with Union forces survived the war... those that served with the Confederacy in Virginia did not.
Gettysburg was occurring at the same point in time as the siege at Vicksburg. Some of what happened there just had to have been horrific to have experienced.
I hope you have a fun day today!!
~shoes~
Interesting, read, Sugar. Thank you for posting it.
ReplyDeleteAs a die hard Georgia girl, it should come as no surprise that I detest Sherman! Now Lee, mmmmm, I have book after book on him, and find him fascinating and intelligent.
Hands down one of the most interesting wars as far as strategy and logistics.
Happy 4th to you and yours, Shoes.
xoxo
~vk~
PS Thank you for your kind words on my post about my Daddy. They were much appreciated.
Good morning, you!
DeleteYes, what Sherman did on that march to the sea was horrible. Of course, it goes back to the idea that 'War is Hell...' Of course, the general population were targets of Sherman's, but that is often the case during war.
Robert E. Lee is the figure of Southern leadership that most comes to mind. He was a gentleman of the truest sense. He was not a proponent of the war... he was not a proponent of secession... but when Virginia did secede, he was not going to fight against his home state. He said so.... Abraham Lincoln had asked him several times to lead Union armies, and Lee's answers were always that he would have to wait to see what Virginia did.
I was saddened for you to read of the passing of your Father. Many of us end up with a huge void in our Lives when our parents, or someone dear to us departs.
I wish you much peace in the days to come, dear...
~shoes~
Vixen/Shoes,
DeleteAs a Southerner of course we always have a little disdain for those damn Yankees but as I am wont to do I have to be a little contrarian. I actually think Sherman was the best and most humain general of the war. What he did on the surfact seemed horrible but it brought the war to a close much more rapidly than the Napolionic tactics of both Lee and Grant. Look at the casualty percentages and you will find Sherman the best general at winning at the lowest cost.
Of course Sherman redeemed himself by being the President of LSU after the war.
"Of course Sherman redeemed himself by being the President of LSU after the war."
DeleteHAR!!! Isn't that a kicker?? Of course, Sherman was living in the South at the outset of the war, and returned to the North to fight for the Union.
Imagine the lineup of Union officers had Virginia not seceded... Lee wouldn't have fought for the South (this is documented). He was opposed to the war... Odds are that much of Lee's General Staff would not have as well.
I have a relative who was a Confederate officer there in Virginia... and was killed in action. According to papers of his Dad's, the son would not fight against his Home State...
There is a great controversy concerning Sherman and one of his ranking officers at Ebenezer Creek where a large group of freed slaves were abandoned, left behind, or sacrificed (the reader gets to choose his/her word).
As Sherman said, 'this is Hell'...
~shoes~
Hey You,
ReplyDeleteThis is a very interesting post informative with many thoughts to ponder. War is hell no matter how you look at it..it will always bring death and chaos. I am sure there were many secret agenda's within the spectrum of the battle plans and battlefields and who knows what laid behind closed doors. Lots of quirks and twists within the art of war. I wonder what sort of mind the artist of war would have?
Is this the memorial you went to visit..where you found the name? I wonder what his voice would say from the beyond about war? This was a great write "shoes" you put a lot of depth into this one. I could feel you all over the page.
I am a northern girl there is a lot of history here my grandmother gave me a very old family book The History of the American Civil War in America published in 1863. I had to pull this off the bookshelf to have a look. The book is leather worn and has those transparent tissue like papers that protect the pictures. There is a whole section on the the Rebellion in Missouri and General Fremont's Campaign in Missouri.
Anyway, thanks for giving me the memory of my grandmother today. I miss her dearly and as I hold the book I can feel her speaking to me. "lovely"..ok how did I get to this place..hmmmm why is it when I talk to you something mysterious happens.
Wishing you a Happy 4th my friend..and of course you are Captain Red Shoe..so I leave you with a HAR!!!
Your friendly poet...Truedessa
Good morning, Truedessa!
DeleteHappy 4th of July to you as well!!
Yes, the Illinois Memorial that I visited with the names of my family members is at Vicksburg! I would love to have heard their thoughts on what transpired down there!
I am a first generation Mississippian... Mom and Dad were from Illinois. As I do more and more research into my family's history, I see that we originate (here in the States, anyway) in Virginia.. relocated to Illinois, Pennsylvania, New York state... so most of my family are Northern... My Dad had lived here in Mississippi for roughly 60 years... yet when he died, several old timers at his funeral referred to him as 'that damn Yankee'... HAR!!! Dad would have LOVED that!!!
I love possessions like your Grandmother's book... I am of the opinion that when I hold something like that inmy hands, I am spanning the time that separates me from my loved ones... and that I can still touch them in that capacity.
I hope that mysterious event you experienced was equally wonderful! It sounds as if it was!! I know that your Grandmother is looking in on you as well! she HAS to be!!
Please have a most wonderful day!!
~shoes~
Hi Shoes,
DeleteHope you had a great 4th of July. I saw the most amazing fireworks..it was a hot night with a nice clear sky so the heavens lit up with a spectacular display. There is just something about watching the sky light up that excites me and I find myself drifting into thoughts.
Well, I think you originated from somewhere beside the states you must have lineage to some other country way back when before America was discovered..NOT that it was really discovered..it was always here and belonged to the first people. I could have a very long conversation about all this..it's in my blood..part of my passion and mystique.
My mysterious event was wonderful and my grandmother is indeed out there and visits me in dreams..need I say more.
Have a great day "shoes"...
Good morning, Trudessa...
DeleteI had a rather low-key 4th, but it was nice all the same. We have been blessed here lately with moderate weather... not too hot... not too humid.
I think it's too easy to look into the night sky, especially when the Milky Way is aligned just right... and one can get lost so easily in that vast nothingness. It's times like that where I really realize how insignificant we are in the mix of things.
On my Mom's side of the family, I've gone back to Frankfurt and Damstadt in Germany. I have a copy of the manifest where he boarded a vessel in LeHarve, France to come to the U.S. in 1850.
On Dad's side of the family, I can go back to the late 1600s in England, and late 1500s in Holland. Amazing.. astounding...
One of the relatives in Holland arrived in New Amsterdam, and settled north of the city. His wife and children were taken in an Indian raid on the city... and the there is the story of how the townspeople formed and went to get their relatives back.
...and we think WE have it hard!
HAR!!!
I feel the same way about my Dad's Mom as you do yours... she watches over me, and I think is with me. There are some folks who would find that strange.
Have a wonderful weekend!!
~shoes~
Good Evening,
DeleteFirst, I am a stargazer sometimes when I can't sleep I open the curtains and watch the stars while I lie in bed and I wonder about the vastness of the universe as it is so full of mystery. You are right we are small compared to the grand scheme of the universe.
I just knew you would have something interesting for me to read. (smiling) Why am I not surprised you tracked more of your heritage. I hope sometime you will share the story about the raid that has really peaked my curiosity. I am currently reading People of The Mask.
..yes tough times in a new strange land..
I don't find it strange that you think a departed one watches over you in fact I think it is quite feasible and I really don't care if others think it is strange. I guess I am a bit unique.
Have a great weekend!
HAR!!!
Shoes! What a marvelous post! It seems proper reading for this holiday, pulling in so much about the history of this great country and about you. Thank you for taking me to that place and time.
ReplyDeleteHi there, Sassy... well, with Ryan, Max, and I being guys, sometimes we are drawn towards things like this. it seems that 48 hours back 150 years ago set the stage for the direction of the Country.
DeleteIt was terribly violent and brutal, yet we find some way to romanticize it. There is a story that my Dad told me about one of our relatives way back in the past that didn't want to go to war... so he paid someone $300 (which at that time was a large sum of money) to take his place in the Union Army. Dad said that weeks later, the war ended...
HAR!!!
How are things with you?
~shoes~
Great info! I know how much you love America History!
ReplyDeleteHappy 4th of July weekend.
Good morning, Princess!! Thank you! I really love all kinds of history. It seems that much of what I am learning about my family draws me into the history of their times and their homelands.
DeleteI hope you have a wonderful weekend!!
~shoes~
Happy 4th of July weekend Red!!!!
ReplyDeleteHope you had a great 4th of July, Shoes. I enjoyed reading this post. Very informative. I love American history. I've not studied it as much I want to, but posts like yours make up for it. :)
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